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MR
Joined: May 31, 2005
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That is what it really is! You are making the point exactly right......
That is the reason why the iPhone will not be a hugh success! Proven technology will preveal in the end... SE has a really strong device. I have used it now for several hours and I love it.
Superb quality. W950i+++ I would make it! It even kills the new HTC Touch thing, device, crap, unbelieveable strang price, spec and marketing strategy......
Nokia is coming with some new stuff, but it will not be ready before iPhone!
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antichrist
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i agree with jcwhite_uk and the choice is w960
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driveforward
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Copied from my post in another forum:
Apple iPhone vs Others.. I'm beginning to wonder..
OK, now please forgive me for what will undoubtedly turn into quite a lengthy post, but I've been thinking about this quite alot recently given all the hype, (my broken arm and being stuck around doing very little), demos and most recently the WWDC this week. I'm basically sharing my thoughts, and hoping to hear those of others.
My phone/PDA 'history'.. - If you don't wanna hear this, skip down 
As many on here will know, I'm the self styled Sony Ericsson pimp on SCN. I've used Ericsson, and later Sony Ericsson phones for years. I like the UI, accessories, features and innovation. Likewise, I could never get on with Windows Mobile/smartphone/CE/PocketPC or whatever they wanted to call it having had a Symbian (EPOC) PDA as my first device. It was the Ericsson MC218 - a clone of the Psion 5MX - a great machine, fully keyboard and touch display, one which I used for many years. I find Windows based PDA's/Phones have a clunky UI that's not very logical, so have always tended to favour Symbian products. There came a time when I was carrying my MC218, a mobile phone (T610 - which I'm using again at the moment as it happens) and the Ericsson MP3 handsfree that plugged into the base of any Ericsson/SE phone at the time.
MC218:
Carrying 3 devices was 'too much', so I decided to take a fresh look at getting a smartphone having previously had an Ericsson R380 (great innovative product, but no MP3/Camera/colour screen etc). I chose the SE P900 to replace my PDA/MP3 and phone with an all-in-one device. I have to say, it was great, fast, stable and did everything I wanted at the time. I used it for 2 years, but eventually dropped it in favour of a new SE clamshell as it was a bit too big to just keep in your pocket for an everyday phone. The z800 I replaced it with did all the usual sync, mp3 and camera stuff you expect on today's phones, but again wasn't the smallest and I'd never buy a clamshell again as it was a nightmare to open with only one hand! However after 18 months I found myself wanting something more advanced - to move back to the P900 level of functionality with easy to use e-mail, web access and the ability to run things like MSN clients etc on the phone.
This was about 6 months ago, and times had moved on technology wise. I wanted something 'pocketable', feature rich and quite flexible.. I almost went for an SE M600 (below) with it being quite thin but very similar to the P-range given it's Symbian footings. Problem was, it didn't have WIFI (now becoming common) and lacked a camera (not such a big deal for me). There were also lost of stability issues with the latest Symbian and UIQ releases, so I held off..
Enter the iPhone
At this point I'll mention that I'm a 'recent' (3 years) convert to Apple computers. I like the simplicity, ease of use, stability, design and great functionality. I've recently bought my first iPod (30GB 5G), given I'd gone back to my T610 phone and can no longer use my phone for music due to its age. I also like the idea of carrying all my music on one device as given my varied taste I never really know what will take my fancy to listen to - this saves having to hand-pick in advance what I can and can't listen to on the move), and I'm thinking of getting a car kit for it to dispense with CDs.
When the iPhone was announced I thought 'this is it'. A smart device, with and great UI that really advances the phone experience. It combines e-mail, web, phone and music in one, well thought out place. I'm not too fussed that it only has a 2MP camera - I have a decent digicam anyway so it's not like I'm going to use the phone as my only camera. I recently saw the ads for the iPhone on Apples site and once again thought 'yes, I want one of these baby's!' However, I am beginning to wonder..
Firstly, the device announced to date is not 3G capable, so all those would-be purchasers in the EU are obviously waiting to see whether they tweak the spec for the non-US market. Secondly, if I were to own such a device, I would still need my iPod as 8GB is noway near enough for all my music, and I don't like the idea of having to go through my iTunes library and rate my music so that I can limit the sync to the 'better stuff' in my collection. Third, I'm yet to be convinced that a touch screen can replace a keypad completely for e-mails and sms - this is yet to be seen. Fourth, it's a first gen product, and from past experience and continuing trends (R380/P800/P990) vowed never to buy first gen stuff and be the test mule ever again!
Finally, fifth, the big one: The iPhone is being billed as a smartphone. This would mean that it should be capable of viewing and editing docs like Word/Excel files, and should be able to run third party apps like MSN clients and SatNav. The iPhone doesn't support Flash - so in this day and age won't provide the complete web experience as mooted. At the WWDC this week, it was revealed that developers can create their own apps for the iPhone - but they have to be web based and hence accessed through the browser.. EH!? This is starting to sound too limited, and much less smart. Having previously had SatNav on PDA's and in-car, one of the things I want a smartphone for is to offer me is GPS mapping via third party software for occasional use. This is essentially now ruled out with the iPhone. You could argue that the iPhone has built in support for Google maps, but tbh I can't think of the last time I wanted to find (uses TV ad as example) a seafood restaurant just around the corner..
Then there's the price, it's going to be a wounder.. The most I've ever spent on a phone was my P900 - £180 on a 12 month contract, I'd pay that gain, but don't like the sound of the possible limitations discussed above, so would be more reluctant to pay that kind of money in this situation. Having also just come out of the worst 18 months of mobile ownership since I began with Orange in the mid-90's with LodaShite I am never going to sign a contract longer than 12 months again.
Don't get me wrong, I love the UI, the simplicity, the design and the features.. I'm just struggling with the iPhones limitations given its smartphone credentials.
Alternative?
Given these points, I re-read the specs for the forthcoming Sony Ericsson P1. This is an evolved M600 with a camera, WIFI and more memory to resolve the stability issues of the current Symbian release. This device obviously doesn't come in 4 and 8Gb versions, but you can get a 4GB card for it. Yes, it won't hold all my music, but nor will the iPhone, and this will be cheaper and more widely avilable. There is an established base of Symbian apps and it is a true smartphone. OK, it's not as pretty and the UI not as evolutionary, but it will still be ahead of a Windows device in my eyes.
What do you reckon, as I'm torn between 2 products, 2 ideals and 2 brand loyalties
iPhone?
P1i?
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driveforward
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That was written before the unveiling of the W960.. TBH, I think I'd still choose the P1 given the semi-qwerty keypad, and the fact neither will replace my iPod.. although the W960 does look nicer
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wabre
Joined: Feb 03, 2006
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the iphone is like the ipod. overpriced for what you get. just because 90% of the people think it's trendy to have an ipod - and don't give a s... about actual technology - it doesn't make the product better technically. why does everybody compare the music capabilities of MP3 players with ipods? since when is an ipod a benchmark in music playing devices?
the same with the iphone. it might be packed in a nice design - which personally i don't like - and without keypad and absolutely no proven record for an OS that works from apple on a small device like that, i would say that this phone will be a huge success for most of the people because they don't actually understand nothing about technology and just go for the hype.
the W960 will definitely be the better phone and package because you cannot throw away years of development from one company like sony and ericsson and compare it to a newcomer in this field like apple.
i am not a fan of UIQ anymore, but in the end this device will be better than an iphone in technical terms.
well, apart from all discussions..let's wait first and see what that overestimated iphone will do..(not a lot in my opinion) |
tsany
Joined: Feb 26, 2007
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UIQ3 sucks ... with the SE strategy of developing it (... also fixing / testing / "reading" feedback from users) it will take few years.
W960 - still Tri-band ?! ... sure it's an amazing technology leap.
"... you cannot throw away years of development from one company like sony and ericsson ..."
You betcha ... I will throw it away and I will not look back ... if I find iPhone just a little bit more reliable than my current SE "smart" phone(?!)
At least Apple are more friendly with their customers.
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supers33d
Joined: May 08, 2006
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That w960 looks like a scorcher i like the plastic keypad pretty cool cant wait to see this ipod phone |
Yurikaze
Joined: Jun 16, 2007
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Definitely w960i! But i heard it will only be out 4Q 07 & only for europe markets... Anyone heard that story as well? W960i is just like the Predecessor of w950i.. Go for it! Apple likely may not have a gd chance after all. Maybe all those marketing may still get a slice of the piece for apple thou. |
scouser_75
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Folks, if we are talking about which is the better handset - W960 or iPhone - well I think we'll have to wait till they are both released.
But if we were talking about which will be the better selling - well in my mind there's no doubt - iPHONE!
Reason being that Apple are sensational in their marketing. People have been talking about an iPhone for as long as I can remember. And just before it was announced to day of announcement, till after announcement, people just did not shut up about The IPHONE. The thing was even in all the national news, newspapers, magazines... everywhere.
Also, all their are a lot of muppets who will buy the iphone not because of its ground breaking facts, but simply because it will be the fashion accessory to have... just like the ipod. The amount of muppets i know who bought an ipod just for the sake of it being the gadget to have. The same muppets who bought the ipod as a fashion accessory will also buy the iphone. That makes a lot of iphone sales!!! They'll flash it off to all their friends, family, colleagues at work... and muggers!!! Sorry to sound a touch crude or harsh, but Im from the communications field and marketing is one of my strong points.
Now, Sony Ericsson are SH1TE at marketing (dont get me started with their last marketing campaign for W950 and W880i)! With the W960 Sony Ericsson had the most unbelievable chance to steal Apples thunder. But they wasted it. No one knew for certain that this phone would defintely be announced. And, most of the general public, including the muppets mentioned above, still dont know about the W960 - even after its announcement.
What SE should have done was announce "some thing even better than the iphone" - now this would have turned some heads and raised some eyebrows!
SE, and the W960, would have been in all the news, newspapers etc just like the iPhone - but would have had the last laugh, as judging by what Ive read the W960 is the better all round phone... and please let me reitterate what I just said "is the better ALL ROUND phone". (just in case people start biting my head off after misreading!!!)
Im sure a lot of you dont care which phone has the better sales, after all you guys im sure wouldnt mind being exclusive
So, in short, watch iPhone trounce the market. Me on the other hand... well Im torn. Im a devout Mac user. But would much rather have the W960 over the iPhone. But W960, as with most SE products, aint Mac compatible. Now that to me is another BIG mistake by SE. But this is a whole new thread and topic to discuss (which I think is available in the SE Genral section on here!)
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himlims_nl
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it's not only howmany commercials they make... it's a image thing
a porche got more image/style compared to a volvo
(maybe volvo is a better car, more safe, cleaner, more hightech .... but still it's a volvo)
same with watches/cloths etc... so is a mobilephone.
an Apple Ipod Phone just got more style/image/class compared to yet another Ericsson or nokia phone....
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yiujun
Joined: Oct 07, 2005
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iphone is nothing but hype and a large touchscreen.
the phone itself is quite mediocre.
no video recording capabilities? 2mp camera with no AF and no options? no third party applications? no games? NO MULTITASKING CAPABILITIES?
all the iphone is, is an ipod with a larger screen. and they threw in calling functions for good measure.
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chrisperro
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IPHONE =NO AD2P what is apple thinking?
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Gunnut
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If Apple were more friendly with their customers, where's that removable battery? And why is there a mobile phone provider lock?
I doubt the iPhone will have a significant impact in Asia. Phones are generally sold unlocked and should Apple choose to continue to do so, it just won't be able to make that 10 Million target
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Supa_Fly
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@Driveforward.
Man you actually remember that Ericsson Psion clone! Incredible!
The Ericsson R380 was the very 1st PDA-based Smartphone on the market EVER! OS was (EPOC) based.
As far as I'm concerned ALL OS' are either OPEN or CLOSED to some extent. Regardless of how many platforms they run on.
CLOSED:
If digital signing or registration is a MUST for the application to be installed or run freely by accessing known API's; then its a CLOSED OS. You can code for it , distribute it free/cost but others cannot install it and it to run correctly without being signed. S60 3rd Edition and all drivers for Vista on Windows is the same in this case!
OPEN:
If anyone with the know-how can code, distribute, and run those applications upon an OS without a governing body, or overseer to allow it to run and while API's for ALL kinds of functions within the OS; then its open. If an OS can be coded for by Free SDK's or other programming aids by the maker of the OS without the need for a degree ... then the OS is OPEN.
Windows, Mac OS X (Darwin OS with huge FreeBSD Unix underpinnings; you'd be amazed how close to standards it is in this regard), Linux (mobile Linux withstanding as great features are pulled to suit such an environment regardless of the hype), Symbian (S60/UIQ3) are ALL OPEN OS'.
Now that said. SE took a great leap of faith in changing their platform, even if slightly by removing the Flip.
W960 Offers the best integration of business & entertainment; although no qwerty keyboard will annoy some, its not bad.
btw, the iPhone does have WiFi, but no UMA support thus far. Just don't forget iPhone is running a slimmed down version of OS X a desktop software. Just like the iTV does, so don't knock its abilities just yet, they can expand when developers & apple let them have full rein. Symbian OS is just maturing where it can compete with desktop software; not quite but soon enough.
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Posted: 2007-06-15 23:44
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